NDE ose near death experience = Ndjesia qe provohet kur peson vdekje klinike ose atak kardiak si psh: Sheh nje tunel me drite ose fushe me lule ose disa shohin edhe "ferrin". Astral Projection = Kur del nga trupi jot naten nderkohe qe trupi jot fizik vazhdon fle dhe ti e sheh nga lart dhe fluturon neper te ashtuquajturat Astral Planets. Ky ishte shpjegimi shume shkurt i ketyre dy fenomeneve. Kush nga ju ose nga njerezit qe ju i njihni i ka provuar?

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Sa mire qe e hape kete teme, se po t'ua thosha njerezve ne jeten reale do te me merrnin si budalla e s'kam pasur guxim te shprehem. Ia thashe nje shoqeje qe kisha besim, por edhe pse ajo tundte koken ne shenje pohimi, sikur me kuptonte, pashe qe thelle thelle po thoshte: "Paska rrjedhur ky."
Une kam perjetuar fiks kete qe ti e pershkruan Astral Projection, kjo i bie te kete qene, sepse ndjeva qe dola nga trupi fizik dhe po e shihja veten duke fjetur. Mundja te levizja dhe u ngjita lart, te ca gjera qe nga larg dukeshin si planete. Por sa me shume afrohesha, merrshin si forma njerezish. Me e aferta qe pata vinte si forme femre, si nje vajze. Kur iu afrova fare me tha qe ta ndiqja, dhe e bera, mirepo duke lundruar ashtu pashe nje tunel drite dhe ne fund te drites vinte nje si jeshile, si fushe me bar e me lule. I thashe asaj vajzes "Ej, mos jemi te NDE ketu?"  "Jo," me tha. "Jemi te Astral Planet." Por si mund ta besoja? Por fale Zotit qe trupi im fizik qe ishte ne shtrat leshoi nje pordhe te shendoshe qe tronditi krevatin dhe papritur u ktheva ku isha.

Une e provoje pothuajse cdo nate, por nuk zgjat shume sepse ma nderpret gerhitja e gruas.

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Mua me ka ndodhur kjo e dyta dhe ishte vertet shume e tmerrshme. Kam qene studente atehere, sezon provimesh, s'ishte nate, ne fakt, diku nga koha e drekes ora 3-4. Mbaj mend vetem qe ne nje cast e shifja veten time shtrire ne shtratin e dhomes se konviktit, mbledhur kruspull, me fytyre kthyer nga muri dhe ndjeja qe trupi im fizik donte te levizte, por nje dicka qe s'e di c'ishte e mbante te shtrenguar dhe nuk levizte dot as gishtin. Doja te nxirrja ze a te klithja, por ishte e pamundur, sikur me kishte zene njeri prej fyti e po me merrte frymen. Ne fakt, nuk shkova asgjekundi, ose te pakten, s'e mbaj mend dhe as e kam idene sa ka zgjatur. Di qe jam zgjuar e lebetitur, dhe e para gje ishte te therrisja kot, per te provuar ne nxirrja dot ze, apo jo. Mund te kete qene dhe enderr, a ndonje lajthitje e mendjes sime, sidomos ne ato kohe qe lexoja dhe perktheja shume gjera per nje gazete qe kishin lidhje me boten paranormale, fantazmat e te tilla gjera. por kushedi...

 Mos ke qene ti ajo qe me coi mua te NDE?

 Mund te kete qene dhe enderr, 

Endrrat jane shpesh keshtu.

Ah, jo, nuk besoj se s'degjova ndonje "zhurme te cuditshme", kur me doli gjumi...

ana h, ajo qe pershkruan me ngjan me shume me paralizen e gjumit. mua me ka ndodhur ketu e shume vite me pare kur po dremisja gjate leximit te nje libri te Kunderes Tongue. me sa kuptoj une eshte nje perzierje mes lucid dreaming dhe pamundesise per t'u zgjuar.  

Tamam, tamam, ajo eshte nje demonic experience. E vertete, qe nuk ka se si ta aksiomizosh perfundimisht, sepse prova konkrete nuk jep dot, por ama... that's it Ana, e diskutueshme tere diten e lume, por ne fund, eshte ashtu. ka forma dhe menyra aresyetimi faktizuese qe mund te dilet ne ate perfundim. Plus, kerkon edhe ca pervoje shtese... smiley

jo asnjona

flm qe pyete

por andrrat ama i kam telepatike te gjitha

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Seriozisht tani. Nje pyetje per hapesin e temes. Vertet i beson keto budallalleqe?

Normale qe i besoj. Ai qe pershkroi Ana me siper eshte fenomen i provuar prej mijera personave dhe eshte folur shume nga shkenca. Nuk i jepet dot shpjegim, sidomos faktit qe njeriu sheh, nuhat, degjon dhe leviz ne distanca me mijera kilometra larg trupit. Kerko ne google revisten Science dhe fjalet remote viewing ose astral projection.

Une here i besoj, here s'i besoj, me thene te drejten. dmth. kur me ndodhi vete,  ndjesia ishte teper e fuqishme, jo shkeputja prej trupit, aty s'kishte asnje dhimbje, por s'ishte as sic ndodh neper filma, por kur e shikoja veten nga lart dhe ndjeja paaftesine per te levizur booo, c'te them, nuk e pershkruaj dot makthin. Po, endrra ku nuk leviz dot, ose nuk flas dot, me perseritet shpesh, por kjo puna e shkeputjes prej trupit, nuk me ka ndodhur me,ndaj them qe ne mos paca lajthitur, dicka duhet te kete pasur ne ate mes...

Ana. Eshte e cuditshme sepse ka me qindra persona ne web, te cilet raportojne gati egzaktesisht te njejten gje me ty. Kjo eshte pjesa shkencore:

Dr. Charles Tart, University of California at Davis has been conducting bio-physical measurements on individuals who can astrally project at will. His research indicates that out-of-body experiences occur in conjunction with a non-dreaming, non-awake brain wave stage characterized by predominate slowing alpha activity from the brain and no activation of the autonomic nervous system. OBE experiences seem to occur during a rather poorly developed State I pattern of sleep which was dominated by alphoid activity and often mixed with transitory periods of wakefulness. This alphoid activity was always 1.0 to 1.5 cycles per second lower than normal alpha rhythm. There seems to be also no REM (rapid eye movement) accompanying these experiences. It is concluded that it is in the hypnagogic state where OBE experiences occur.

There is one sleep study by Drs. Lester and Guerrero-Figueroa in which considerable alphoid activity was reported in the sleep records as a result of chlorpromazine administration. Chlorpromazine is a fairly commonly used tranquilizer known under the trade name of Thorazine. It is now being speculated that drugs which tend to slow alpha frequency might promote OBE experiences, and this could be a possible fruitful line of experimental inquiry.

The author has experimented with a number of available legal herbs and found that Jimson weed when smoked works quite well for inducing OBE with persons untrained in the technique. Care must be taken with this herb as it belongs to the Datura or Nightshade family. The active constituents are scopolamine, atropine, hyocyamine and other tropanes. If ingested, as reported by numerous Indian tribes of the Southwest, the herb can be quite toxic. It is recommended that only one to two grams be smoked at one time and prolonged use is not recommended. The herb has also been called thorn-apple or loco weed.

How To Have An OBE

An out of body experience can occur spontaneously or intentionally. The famous scientist and out of body explorer, Robert Monroe, developed a set of OBE induction methods when he stumbled upon the OBE phenomenon in the 1950s. The most famous is known as the Mind Awake, Body Asleep technique. Now, anyone can learn how to have an OBE and astral travel to explore alternate dimensions and the nature of consciousness.
Step 1: Relaxation

To train how to astral project, find a dark, quiet room and ensure there are no distractions or time constraints. Lie down, with the arms and legs outstretched, palms facing up and head relaxed. With the eyes closed, focus on taking long, slow breaths.

Working from the toes upward, systematically tense and relax every muscle group of the body, finishing with the face. Imagine each body part disappearing into formlessness once it is relaxed. Try not to move. This can take 5-15 minutes to achieve effectively. Learn more easy meditation techniques.
Step 2: Visualization

It is natural for random thoughts and day dreams to interrupt this meditative state. When this happens, gently sweep them away and return the focus to slow breathing. Visualize sitting in a car and moving toward the horizon. Focus on the scenery while travelling along an unbroken white line in the middle of the road. Imagine the body is physically moving, drifting toward somewhere far in the distance. Keep the body entirely still and relaxed.

There are many other visualizations to try: anything that involves floating, sinking, or falling (eg out of a plane, through the bed) will allow the awareness to drift out of body. Move all focus away from the physical body as it lies still on the bed and quash any unwanted thoughts or inner dialogue. The aim is to fall asleep consciously; hence the term: Mind Awake, Body Asleep.
Step 3: Vibrational State

When the brain descends into a deep enough meditation, the vibrational state will begin. Try to remain calm, as this can be overwhelming or exciting at first. This is the window of opportunity to move out of body, either by rolling or sinking out – or by simply visualizing another place (the living room, or the roof). Do not look back at the physical body or the out of body experience may quickly end.

The vibrational state can sound also like buzzing or white noise, and is often accompanied by complete paralysis but only lasts for a matter of seconds. It will disappear on separation of the physical and astral body. Once out of body, astral travel is achieved through the power of the mind, to any location imaginable.

Scientists continue to debate whether out of body experiences and astral projection take place in reality, an internal dreamworld using lucid dreaming, or some other ethereal dimension. Only further OBE experiments will reveal the true nature of this other-worldly phemonenon.

Visualize sitting in a car and moving toward the horizon. Focus on the scenery while travelling along an unbroken white line in the middle of the road.

E bera kete, por shpetova per qime, se isha mu ne mes te rruges dhe desh u perplasa me nje makine qe vinte perballe, sic duket po provonte te bente te njejtin eksperiment si une smiley

unë vetë e bëj gjumin top (ptuj, ptuj, ptuj) po im atë që desh na la shëndenë nga një parainfarkt, pasi u kthye, përshkoi një gjendje shumë të këndshme mes lëndinave me lule dhe një paqe të pamatë dhe u nevrikos një çikë kur e gjeti veten duke u spërkatur me ujë të ftohtë. 

Edhe une kam menduar gjithnje qe vdekja eshte fushe me lule, kurse jeta s'eshte fushe me lule.

ate te dyten e provoj shpesh. Mirepo ka kohe qe vetja pralele, ajo pas aksit simetrik nuk ia hedh me syte tjetres, qe ben sikur fle.

Po, po, te mevetesishme jane, s'e mohova.

Une kam provuar NDE shume vite me pare dhe me kujtohet qe kam pare ato lendinat. Cudia eshte se perse te gjithe ata qe kane pat kete eksperience shohin te njejten gje! Ne fakt nuk jam i sigurt ne se te gjithe shohin te njejten lendine apo jo. Ne se po, do te ishte interesante dhe paksa e frikshme smiley  A s'mund te kete secili lendinen e vet e? 

Pastaj, pse vetem lendina? Sikur s'ka vende te tjera te bukura...

Eh, thuaj, na ka dale truri per shetitje me duket. Back to reality.

kshu osht lendina mre ? smiley

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Permetari ja nje statistike per NDE

Most NDE events are considered wonderful, 54.0%, while 37.3% have mixed perceptions. Only 8.6% describe their experience as frightening.
Sometimes, an important finding is that there are no significant differences between groups. No differences in near-death experiences were found for
white versus non-white respondents. Similarly, there were very few differences between those experiences occurring inside versus outside of the
United States.
The NDE contains many common elements. Two thirds report an out-of-body experience, and almost as many see a light. More than half report strong
emotional tone and receiving knowledge. Almost half report seeing unearthly beings.
The out-of-body experience is more often reported by those under 40 years of age. For the total sample 67.7% report an out-of-body episode,
but this is significantly lower at 59.6% for those aged 40 to 49, and 48.4% for those 50 and older. The highest incidence is 76.2% in the 10 to 19
year age group. An out-of-body is also more often associated with clinical death, 75.1% versus 63.0% for those with a non-life threatening event.
Encountering unearthly beings is higher for females, 53.1%, compared to males, 40.3%.
Reports of both darkness and void drop off significantly after age 50. Darkness and void are higher for those reporting a frightening experience.
A life review is least common for those aged 50 and over. Their rate of reporting is 10.9%, about half of the total sample, 21.6%. The life review is
also higher for those who report clinical death.
Changes in feelings about death are reported highest for those who also report a wonderful experience, 86.5% versus 75.4% for those with a frightening
experience. It was also highest for those who reported clinical death, 87.8% compared to 83.0% for the whole sample.
The development of healing and psychic abilities is significantly higher among women, 71.4%, compared to men, 60.7%. Such abilities occur most often
for those who report clinical death, 75.5%, compared to 61.9% for those with a non-life threatening experience.

o none o none ça gjumi mromë.

"e pashe veten poshte, ne rruge/
Dhe shiu binte si une, mbi vete/
Plot psheretima e fjale te thena/
E fjale te pathena per ndricim
E rrjedhje"

Edhe une kam perjetuar fiks kete qe ju po e pershkruan Astral Projection. Une as emrin nuk ja di, por edhe qe ato ndjesite e mia qe kam perjetuar nuk e dija qe paskerkan kete emer.

Une kam bere jete konviktore per shume kohe. Po siç ishin konviktet tona ne ate kohe.

Benim sherbim roje nate, dhe kishim nje kapterr qe na kontrollonte. Kishim nje dhome ne kapanon ku ishin armet tona.

Nje nate isha me sherbim, e mbaj mend si sot, kam qene 01 -03 e mengjezit, u ngrita, ose me mire me ngriten per rojen e radhes. Pasi ndejta nja 20 min, si macja Tomi, me kapaket e syve te mbajtura me dore, u plandosa ne krevat dhe gjumi top. Pas pak kohe, po degjoja kepucet me pafka te kapterrit. I degjoja shume mire, degjoja dhe zerin e tij qe po therriste "roje, roje" po nuk isha i zoti qe te levizja. Po mundohesha me vehten time per te levizur, po aha, nuk po ja dilja. Perpiqesha te levizja gishtat, doren krahun, po hiç. Ndermend po me shkonin mbledhja e se nesermes se si do te kritikohesha, po mendoja se si do te me therrrisnin plaken ne shkolle, se ishte gje e madhe qe te flije ne sherbim, i hapje rrugen armikut, o pike e zeze mendoja, ç'me gjeti!!!!!!!

Tentoja te levizja, por prape Hiç.

Kapterri ndezi driten, e ndjeva, syte mu lebyren, po perseri nuk po mundja te levizja dot. Per nje miment me shkoi dermend "ore po sikur te jem paralizuar. Neper kapanon, degjohej, roje, roje...

Kur papritur ndjeva nje prekje ne krah. Po si jam hedhur, po si jam hedhur perpjete, sa kapterri u tremb, dhe duke u ngritur perplasi koken tek hekuri i krevatit te siperm. Eh, s'kam per ta harruar ate ndjesi. Me ka ndodhur edhe me vone, por jo si atehere. Siç duket hera e pare eshte me mbreselenese.

Po keshtu me ka ndodhur disa here qe kam fluturuar ne ender. Cfare kenaqesie kam ndjere. Sikur te jete e vertete e tille kenaqesia e te fluturuarit, do te ishte nje mrekulli. Vetem se isha ne enderr.

 

Nuk besoj se endrat shpjegojne vdekjen klinike si eksperince, per kete,  qe kur vdes shikon lendina te bukura, me lule,  dhe fusha te gjelberuara,  kam degjuar qysh kur kam qene femije,

bisedonim shpesh me cunat dhe gocat e shkolles ne 8 vjecare ., por sa jane te verteta nuk i dihet, shumica e atyre qe thone jane thjeshte fantazi,

Endrat.

Ka endra te mira ka endra te kqia te frikshme, qe thua shyqyr o zot qe isha ne ender! Ka endra ku njerzit shohin  ose takojne njerzit e tyre shume te dashur qe kane ndruar jete dhe kenaqen shume ju duket nje realitet tjeter i permbysur, sikur jeta e vertet (ne ender) ishte ender, dhe endra qe shikon eshte jeta e evertet, pastaj kur cohesh,dmth te del gjumi , nuk kupton kush ishte jeta e vertete! je pak konfuz deri sa ndergjegjsohesh me realitetin, kjo ndodh ne disa sekonda!

 Kjo me ka ndodhur mua!

Shumica peshqeve paska qene me penallti ne tru .

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